Here's the video, if anyone's still interested in this topic: https://youtu.be/ilFcfIyUz6U My results are the same (about 2k rounds later). I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. Parts listed here are designed for the Sig Sauer P320 pistol model chambered in 9mm, 10mm, .45 ACP, .40 S&W or .357 SIG unless noted otherwise. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . OK, in answer to all of the above questions. N310 with 165gr? He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. But 2 hour drive to the Fedex hub. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. I've heard a couple of cases of this. Service your Sig P320 pistol with quality OEM and aftermarket parts/components to ensure a solid performance . How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Will this issue get better or should I be contacting Sig? As the round is stripped from the magazine it is pushed up the feed ramp and into the partially extracted round still hanging out the back of the barrel. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. He probably had a double until it was over. Thats SIGs term for a recall. And thats just my opinion. I do not even know if sending it back to Sig at this point would tell me anything, as they are just going to test fire it with brass and tell me not to use steel case ammo.. Quick Reply to: This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Tyler Freel Nuts and Bolts of the Sig-Sauer P320 XTen. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Born date on box is 8-18-2016. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. ALL OF THEM. Ron, Upload or insert images from URL. Same results. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. Thanks. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. It has worked flawlessly. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Fiocchi worked flawlessly, on the blazer had fte every fifth round or so. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix below In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. I have several marks on the right side of my RMR as well. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Left 2 weeks ago and received and email this mourning that it's on its way back to me. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. We'll see what happens now. U.S. lawsuits in Capitalvania. One thing that I haven't see you state yet, when you LAMR do you go to slide lock and drop a round in the chamber, drop the slide, and load a full mag? P365/P365XL Striker Kit. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. That seemed to help for a while. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Sometimes in front, straight back, just barely falling out and down, and even to the LEFT. Still no issues except an occasional FTF as I play with ammo loads and seating depths. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. If you had a problem while shooting reloads and they still offered warranty service (regardless of whether you had to send it in), they must have changed their policy. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. By Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. Extractor's gone somewhere. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. 3. Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. , 54 people all shooting themselves. I'm relatively convinced that it's fixed. Fair enough. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. Maybe they could help you out with shipping it back without the long drive. Features & Specifications of SIG P320 X5 Legion: SIG P320 X5 Legion In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. At this time I have no other parts to compare to the extractor pin or spring. Right. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. It was the same sort of progressively worsening extraction issues you describe. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. I popped it in and headed down to the shooting range. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Powered by Invision Community. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. Thats like telling the cop you were only going 5 over, not 10. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. Is it? Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Funny how that works. Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. I would have recommended what you said you already tried, swapping extractors with one that is know to be good. Fine. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. Other then that this gun has function without any stoppages. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. Both of my P320 carry's developed extraction issues. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. The extractor is marked "042; 00". His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Like others said I never had a problem before this. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. The P320 was known to discharge if dropped on the striker plate at a certain angle. Now it runs anything and no further problems. More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. Just ordered all new parts from Top Gun Supply. All of my kits run fantastic, never a hiccup. In that case lighten the recoil spring or bumping up the power should make a difference. 3. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. Zero in the affirmative. All the factory replacement corrosion-resistant parts to replace your P320 .45 AUTO extractor assembly. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! She has the p320 9fs that has been RMR with a delta point. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. The fact that it happened to you three times with the same ammo eliminates the gun as the variable, and makes it the ammo. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. Both FCUs work with all of the other kits / calibers. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. Sig made a subtle change to the length of the extractor spring, and the geometry of the extractor claw. The baseline P320 has endured some problems. Display as a link instead, . Pasted as rich text. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. I'll give it a chance to redeeme itself and see how that works out. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Steel casing ammo much better off in polymer mags. congrats. 1300324. While you are at it swap extractor springs and rods as well. (unless theyre SWAT or something). If you run into any issues, please call Customer Service and they will help you through the process. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Where is this lightning striking twice? Today on Tactical Fellowship! Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. New extractor? The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! When I received the gun, it appeared as if it was unfired, with wear apparent on the barrel or other corresponding areas to indicate the gun was even used. They are being replaced with Glocks. SIG brought us into their testing facility today and demonstrated that three upgraded P320s were all functional and fired properly. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Where is that defect now? Thanks to all for the advice. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. He points to it in the video. Each time this gun misfires, and fires without the users intent, it is not only harming that individual, but these guns are a risk to anybody around, said Bob Zimmerman, a Philadelphia-based attorney with the firm Saltz Mongeluzzi & Bendesky, which is representing the plaintiffs in the latest filing, and has repeatedly sued the company for other alleged injuries. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. $55.00. 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